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Generally, methods of coverup used by Insectoids fall somewhere in the "nobody will notice if there's nobody to notice" range.



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Darian Christie (transfer from Disqus)

We didn't [have] any contacts... Though, we [have] made quite...

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Steve (transfer from Disqus)

How is leaving a lot of reverse-engineerable wreckage not already a violation of the Directives so severe that they might as well stop trying anyways?

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Darth_Biomech

Technology actually might shaken the uncontacted culture less than actual alien contact. There's also a chance they'll rationalize it in some other way via the "it's never aliens" principle of scientific research. "Stop trying" might lead to even larger damage on top of what was already done, anyway.

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Borg (transfer from Disqus)

The first time we saw a periodic radio signal from the sky, one of the theories was that it was a transmission from an alien civilization. Aliens here is a priori pretty unlikely, so no serious scientist is going to propose it without serious evidence, but it's hard to crash a shuttle without leaving serious evidence you're there and you're not local. Any scientist who looks at a crash site with unfamiliar technology and strange corpses and isn't willing to say it seems to be aliens is going to end up as a historical footnote about someone who was almost a household name.

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Beach Fox (transfer from Disqus)

The shit's already hit the fan, Zane. It's up to you to decide which direction to point the fan.

Quickly.

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Dreadogastus (transfer from Disqus)

Up to date now. I will join the expectant crowd that is waiting for the next page to drop.

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Lord Eric (transfer from Disqus)

There's a slogan from Schlock Mercenary that would seem to apply here: "Failure is not an option, it is mandatory. The option is whether to let failure be the last thing you do." At the end of the day, Zane is proposing to let failure be the last thing he does. The stealthy intrusion plan blew up in his face, and his current plan is to hide and let the mess his forces have created evolve and grow without his input.

Also a relevant SM quote: "I'm going to treat that comment as a humorous stab at your own exaggerated amorality, and then move on, if you don't mind."

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ANTIcarrot (transfer from Disqus)

Yeah... I am getting the impression he's more interested in his position than, well, managing the situation. Which is not unreasonable if his job is mainly to run the fleet. In which case, it feels like there is a missing cast member. Where is the fleet's second most qualified first contact expert? That person really should have been called to the bridge by now.

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Lord Eric (transfer from Disqus)

His job isn't to run the fleet. He has captains and department heads for that. As flag officer, his job is to command the fleet and make the hard decisions for it. An accident that threatens a mission objective is definitely his responsibility, as are subordinates being attacked and captured by hostiles.

Edit: as for the backup first contact expert, I think that's Hekaht.

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ANTIcarrot (transfer from Disqus)

Then he seems uninterested in commanding the fleet. I don't recall him dispatching SAR, or some subordinate doing it on his behalf. It feels like it's been a day or so since they got news of the shootdown, so unless he's going to retroactively say "I dispatched SAR, but didn't mention it before now" then again, he seems more interested in his position and reputation than commanding the fleet, or reacting appropriately to this incident.

Hekaht might fill that role, but the char sheet says he's an engineer, not a first contact specialist.

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Lord Eric (transfer from Disqus)

Yanno, I think part of Zane's problem is that he knows he was overindulgent toward Gharr earlier, and now he's overcompensating. Of course, even that is paying rather too much attention to Gharr, given that there are 7 other crewmates and a big steaming pile of interspecies politics involved.

And yeah, no SAR. The first meeting (a week ago) was hearing about the crash. Zane responded by ordering the Earth-orbit spysat to make a low-altitude recon pass to gather more information, and took no further action (which I thought was foolishly passive even then). Now that they have the results of that recon pass, they're arguing about whether they're going to attempt SAR at all, given that the natives they're not supposed to contact are now swarming all over everything that they might search for and rescue.

And yeah, I do think Hekaht is there in an unofficial capacity. Mostly just because he keeps getting invited to these meetings even though nobody's mentioning any engineering concerns.

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Aaron Neumann (transfer from Disqus)

It would also be useless given the increase of sensor density, which means that KE strike will be detected and traced.

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Lord Eric (transfer from Disqus)

And even if it wasn't traced back, there's no way the human forces would believe that it was anything but what it is: namely, an act of war launched without declaration of hostilities or any attempt at diplomacy, and one that shows a marked disregard for the lives of the aggressor's own people to boot. If that isn't a violation of the Directives, I dunno what is.

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Aaron Neumann (transfer from Disqus)

Given that this situation is a lot of firsts for them, it might be because there isn't protocol for such a fringe situation.

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Big Nemo (transfer from Disqus)

I think you have a point here. According to the info in the wiki, so far the civilizations met by the Alliance were either pre-industrial (which are left alone following the failed attempt to uplift the Silurans) or already spacefaring (the exception being the Laymaran that are a very special case). This makes sense: it is likely that the transition from pre-industrial to spacefaring (when it succeeds!) takes a relatively short time frame, so to meet a civilization that is undergoing said transition is unlikely to happen.

So the Alliance has no previous experience of such a situation... which is still a bad excuse for poor choices, I guess.

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Aaron Neumann (transfer from Disqus)

Thing is, when your experience is consistently of those of extremes, you won't plan for anything else because your understanding of the universe hasn't shown you otherwise.

Essentially, due to the fact that this 'either or' is all that the Alliance has seen, they can't really conceive of the idea that there are degrees between the extremes.

In essence, it's like trying to teach nuclear physics to classical Greeks. Their heads can't wrap around the idea because their understanding doesn't have the required background.

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Lord Eric (transfer from Disqus)

Eh, it's not quite that bad. They know perfectly well that there is an in-between stage, and that there's a finite chance they'll eventually run across a new species that's at that stage. They just didn't think it was likely, and that if it did happen they could just wait for it to reach the familiar spacefaring stage, so they didn't put in the effort to figure out how to actually deal with civs like that. Hence their unawareness of, say, how visible their shuttles are to ABM radars.

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Carefulrogue (transfer from Disqus)

It would convince most of humanity and the military that they need an XCOM or Xenonaut-like force to deal with the hostile invaders.

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ANTIcarrot (transfer from Disqus)

Even if they wanted to get rid of the evidence, a kinetic strike would be unlikely to get everything. "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" is a simple enough concept that it might be universal, and they would need to assume the natives might be following it. Precisely because an orbital strike (or simply an accident) could wipe out the bounty of new technology.

And again, if Zane wants to bring up military concepts like 'attacked our shuttle' then he really should also admit that the shuttle 'violated their airspace' and 'refused to identify itself'.

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Thrymr (transfer from Disqus)

Ah yes, they are no doubt big fans of the "no witnesses" strategy in the hitman games.






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TRIVIA
These trivia bits are generated randomly.
Raharrs are warm-blooded creatures and are accustomed to temperature range a bit warmer than Earth's.
"Dawn" class mothership and "Lake" class tankers are the only spacecraft in the Exploration fleet that can create artificial gravity while not under acceleration.
If a space ship accelerates at the same rate as it would in a free-fall under Earth's gravity (Otherwise known as "1G acceleration"), it can reach Jupiter from Earth in just under 6 days. It would need to flip in the middle of the travel, to start decelerating and enter the planet's orbit.
Insectoids in a lot of ways are the weird ones among the Alliance members. Besides having a completely unpronounceable name of the species, they have dextero amino acid biochemistry, which makes their food and biosphere to be inedible by the rest of the Alliance, and vice versa.
The names of every species of the Alliance (besides Insectoids) are words taken directly from their respective native languages that they use to refer to themselves. They all have same translation:
"a human".
Azinarsi relationship to death is different from the rest of the civilizations of the Alliance: they do not care about it. Death would mean loss of information and experience gathered by that instance of a person's mind, though, and these two things are about the only valuables for an Uploaded mind, so Azinarsi try to avoid it when possible.
A lot of backgrounds and other elements in the comic are actually 3d models. It helps reduce the time each page takes to make.
Raharrs descended from the evolutionary branch that can be described as "apelike cats" by their evolutionary niche. Although initially carnivorous and solitary, they were forced to become omnivorous and form persistent packs during the latest of the rare ice ages of their homeworld, approximately 30 million years ago.
It takes more than a year to cross the Alliance space even with the fastest FTL drive.
Prior to becoming a webcomic, Leaving The Cradle was initially developed as a modification for Source engine, back in 2007. It was vastly different back then, much closer to the usual space opera look and feel, and the plot had nothing in common with the webcomic version, sharing only exactly two characters and nothing else.
Many homeworlds of the respective species are still divided into countries, but freshly established colonies on other planets are almost always monolithic and basically independent, since they sprawled from a single initial outpost, and time lag involved due to interstellar distances making remote management of the colony from a homeworld to be ineffective and frustrating at best.
There's no way to communicate faster than light. If you want to send your message to another solar system, your best bet is to use a courier spaceship. It can take even a month for it to finally reach the destination, but it still beats sending it as a transmission and expecting it to arrive decades or thousands of years later.
So far there hasn't been a single instance of a massive interstellar war. Due to the vastness of space, there's no territorial or economic gain from it. The presence of armed spaceships is still warranted for keeping space travel safe and for peacekeeping or policing missions since unexpected events or rogue states can still happen and might require force as a solution.
The Alliance space stretches for an impressive 16 thousand light years along the longest axis, and contains approximately twelve billion star systems. Despite that, 99.99% of those star systems weren't explored even by an automatic mapping drone yet, and the borders of the Alliance space are defined mostly by the reach of spaceships from the nearest colony or space station.